The JONES surname is one of the most common among the Islands. [Wales, England, Ireland, and that big one across the pond the U.S.!] Haplogroups have been identified from those who have submitted their DNA and indicated an interest in the JONES surname. The following is a summary based upon an analysis of these results.
Haplogroup R1b is roughly 76%. [Assumed to be Celtic roots?]
Haplogroup I is roughly 10%. [Assumed to be Viking or Norman?]
Haplogroup E is roughly 6%. [Assumed to be African-American?]
Haplogroup G is rougly 3%. [Assumed to be Asia Minor?]
Haplogroup J is roughly 2%. [Assumed to be Middle Eastern - Jewish?]
Haplogroup R1a is roughly 2%. [Assumed to be Anglo-Saxon?]
Anyone with the JONES surname and a known haplogroup please respond. Would like to identify family trees with the surname JONES!
I'm a descendant of Thomas John Jones, b. 1820-1824 VA. Thomas moved to Whitley County, KY before 1840. My haplogroup is R1b1a2.
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http://ecjones.org/
Holy crap.. ur my family member. I’m almost certain.
DeleteHello Ed...do you know the area or county in Virginia that Thomas John Jones was born? Is he in (by age) the 1840 census of Whitley Co.? Whitley Co. was established in 1818 out of Knox Co. Therefore, family would have to have arrived in KY after 1820 and birth of John Thomas Jones.
ReplyDeleteDenis Savard writes me on twitter stating that the E haplogroup may be E-L793. States this is not Africa-American. Any other input on haplogroup E please post. States Africa-American E1a haplogroup.
ReplyDeleteMy earliest Jones, maternal side, is Mary Jones b. 1809 IL, raised in MO, died 1820 in AR. mtDNA Haplogroup K. She said her father, could be her grandfather, was born in England.
ReplyDeleteOk, I wondered in and found your data, Teague Jones, father Christopher Jones Jr and Christopher Jones Sr from England, is my line the ydna is r1b1b2 taken by FTDNA from my nephew. This covers Silas Jones Sr of RI to NY's lineage and a huge huge family.
ReplyDeleteDad was the last to carry Jones in his generation, my two brothers are the last in my generation, I am a female, they both had two boys, One boy has a girl, another boy has 2 girls 1 boy and one boy has a dau and another has a son. So the line is about gone.
Generation before DAD a wee more but not much.Calvin had 5 boys 1 g, They did not all have children. SusiCP@cox.net
My brother had his Y-DNA test done a few years back through Ancestry.com and belongs to the R1b haplogroup. Our earliest confirmed Jones ancestor is William Jones who died in 1889 in Sculcoates, Yorkshire, England at the age of 78. I have reason to think his father may have been John Jones of Llanddeiniolen, Caernarvonshire, Wales but have been unable to confirm.
ReplyDeleteHello Kim...first JONES in English records is Humphrey Jones 1538 - 1544 from Carnarvon...see blog post March 21, 2013 thejonessurname.blogspot.com ...good luck in your tree climbing
ReplyDeleteE-L793 is part of the haplogroup formerly known as E3b or E1b1b or E1b1b1a and E1b1b1b (AKA M-78 and M-81). It is not Sub-Saharan African, unlike its many cousin clans. It is found in North Africa, Europe and the Middle East. One in five Jews are in the E haplogroup, while it is also common in the Maghreb Berbers (Morocco and Algeria) and Iberia (Portugal and Spain). In an American context it would more likely be European or Hispanic than Black African. There are pockets of E haplogroup men in Europe. The E-L793 mutation occurred about 5,300 years ago in North Africa but was found originally in one French and one English man because of movement on trade routes, probably related to Bronze Age tin, copper, gold and iron mining.
ReplyDeleteThe E haplogroup is believed to have originated in East Africa and spread from there, or in the Middle East and returned to Africa. It was the haplogroup of many ancient Egyptians. E haplogroups conquered Africa and dominate there, but this and several others are only found North of the Sahara and are thus not Black African.
The ancestors of men with E-L793 are likely to be descended from colonists in the Western Mediterranean who come from Egypt, Greece, Italy, Phoenicia, Judea, etc. They have piled up in Morocco (the Berbers) and in Somalia, possibly due to founder effects and the lack of navigational skills among herdsmen and farmers but are neither white nor black because they are more ancient than the mutations which created light eyes, hair and skins.
Many E haplogroups have been in Europe for 10,000 years, so it is really hard to prove that an E type man belongs to any particular modern ethnic or religious group because even the Jews and their ancestors only date back 4,000 years or so in archaeological terms rather than to the Neolithic Era.
An American or European Jew who has this SNP may have picked it up during the wanderings of Jewish merchants, colonists, soldiers, sailors, and refugees, or perhaps has an ancestor who was in the Roman Army.
Remember, you get your Y Chromosome from one man in many thousands of your ancestors alive ten or more generations ago. Your expected nationality may not match your Y chromosome or your mitochrondrial DNA. There are other factors which make DNA predictions of identity groups such as race, nationality, religion and so forth rather spotty. They make sense to the algorithms which assign geographic matches, but you have to examine the autosomal history because one gene, or even a whole chromosome, does not decide who or what you are. Genetics is not destiny, as they say.
Hey Bryant...thanks for the information and discussion of the E-L793 haplotype. Lots to learn. A few JONES among the haplogroup E. Not sure how these folks branch in the E haplogroup framework. Do you have a JONES surname connection?
ReplyDeleteSorry for the long delay in replying. I have a few Jones in my family tree, Canadians and Americas, Australia, New Zealand the UK, almost all of Welsh ethnic origin even if they may have lived in England or Scotland for centuries. The surname is, of course, Welsh, and since my own DNA is found in France and England, there is a good chance that Jones carrying it would have ancestors in the British Isles or Continental Europe. Some minor Southern branches might have African E haplogroup Y chromosomes, but on the whole I would expect very few non-African Americans even in the South. E haplogroup, however, of other branches make up an overwelming number of Africans but their DNA haplotypes are very distant from European, North African and Middle Eastern types. Our European E haplogroup cousins are particularly numerous among the Berbers of North Africa, the Kurds of the Middle East, Jordanians (perhaps Moabites in Biblical times) and Somalians. Iberia and the Balkins also have large numbers of E type men much more closely related to us. My nearest genetic relatives are in France and the UK, with a near branch in Russia and Columbia (South America) which gives you an idea of the kind of widespread but low population across Europe where Phoenicians, Greeks, Romans, and Muslims carried the Y chromosome. It is old enough, however to be found among Cro Magnons in France, Switzerland, etc.
DeleteI forgot to mention Jews, who enter history much later than the E haplogroups they carry, but are also a source of E haplotypes throughout Europe, North Africa and the Middle East. About one in five Jewish men are E haplogroup but most E haplotypes are not Jewish. Religion and ethnicity only show up in the most recent twigs of this very broad and ancient tree. But some twigs do have much to tell of where and what your ancestors were. Soldiers, sailors, merchants, farmers, slaves, pastoral herdsmen and fearless explorers and travellers. That is us E haplogroup men.
DeleteMy Halogroup is R1b1b2a1a2f. My earliest documented ancestor was James B Jones, born 1791 Culpepper County VA, moving to Roane & Morgan Counties, TN. There are 1812 pension records that verify his birth in Culpepper County, enlisting at Stevensburg, Culpepper VA. He moved to Roane County in 1818, married Rachel P Galbraith in 1819 in Campbell County VA. There first child, Samuel Hinson Jones was born in VA in 1820 and their second child is born in Morgan County TN. There is a letter written from his brother William S Jones who lived on the Humphrey's Estate, close to the Germanna Ford of the Radian River. I have not been able to find documentation of his father. One of my mutations is similar to the Thomas Jones of Culpepper. Thank you for any help you may give.
ReplyDeleteHello Barbietru...Culpeper Co. Va is one of my favorite places to climb those Jones family trees...! It was formed 1749 from Orange Co., which was formed from Spotsylvania Co. 1734, which was formed from a group of counties 1721. Essex Co. being one of these was formed out of (old) Rappahannock Co., the geographic location of my own Jones family! Culpeper is a hot bed for those Joneses! The Culpeper Co. Tax list of 1787 should be of help. Was Humphrey an associated maternal line?
ReplyDeleteJames B Jones', brother was William S Jones and he lived on the Humphrey's Estate which overlooked the Germanna Ford on the north side of the Radian River. There is a marriage of Thomas Jefferson Humphreys to Lucretia Jones, daughter of John Jones of Richmond. Unfortunately, William S Jones had no children so the line from him dropped. The 1787 Tax List shows a gentleman's name to which a resident was assigned, however there is no map that showed where each gentleman's district was in the county. In the 1850 Federal Census, there are two other names listed, William Nash 15 years old and his sister Sarah Nash, 25 years old.
ReplyDeleteWow, I am more than stunned that you knew about the Humphrey's name.
Thanks for your
Hello again Barbietru...in 1714 nine Protestant German families comprised the first settlement, thus the name Germanna. An abrupt horseshoe bend roughly 12 miles above the junction with Rappahannock and Rapidan is the location. Any German family connections?
ReplyDeleteNot until James B Jones' son Samuel Hinson Jones married Sarah Stonecipher, original Germanna Colonists but that is later in East TN. The Hinson name has to mean something but I have not found it. In Fauquier there is a William Jones with son, James, John, William & Stephen who lived near Tin Pot Run and one of his neighbors is Robert & Joseph Henson/Hinson/Hanson. I bought a large book of the origins of the Hinson family and still couldn't find any marriages with Jones/Hinson.
DeleteWe are familiar with Horseshoe Farms along the Rapidan River - the land actually belonged to Capt. Robert Jones, father of Elizabeth Bouleware Jones who married Anthony Garnett. It is more well known as Garnett land not Jones land. Elizabeth's brother was Brereton Jones son of Robert & Elizabeth Brereton Jones. There is also a Captain Thomas Jones in Caroline County VA that marries in and out of the Garnett family, so assuming some connection between them. I believe this is the family that married into the Ann Madison Family.
So here we are, still hunting. Thanks for your insight.
Barbara
Interesting stuff...very first Hinton[William] is transported by Richard Cocke [March 6, 1636] with a John Jones. A year later a Thomas Hinton is transported with a Robert Jones. Do you have access to Cavaliers and Pioneers?
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